Scanners are fine.

If everyone else is like me, they're using them more because people are whining about 'em just for spite :D

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

well, in the past, scouts used to also use their high slots to buff range and precision of passives - which they share with squad - instead of a stack of myo's.

ewar doesn't need a fix. It's the only counter available when fighting an army of damped jumping beans.

It's threads like this one that proves we need role tags.

Something tells me it's about 98% scouts agreeing with one another.

To sum up:
-scouts:waah,we can't be 100% stealthed godmode anymore...scanners should be nerfed!
-assaults:nah,you stay in your hole where you belong.
-logistics:i can't believe i'm about to say this but...i agree with the assaults.

Touch scanners,assaults get outclassed again.
/thread

^ Every single one of my scouts Amarr, Cal, and Gal are 20db or below. This is a major buff to assaults and perhaps a slight buff to scouts. The Gal logi totally outclassed the Amarr scout which is the best Ewar scout, to maximise Ewar you need 2 precision and 2 damps and at least 1 kinkat I prefer 2 because it is the slowest scout in the game. The range of passive scans is 30 @ 18 db that's not even enough to scan the whole acid pit while the gal can hit the whole city. The amarr can get what the one guy running a scout instead of a shotty assault if he isn't damped enough.
30m range base HP scout vs 200m logi who has all his highs and lows available to him.

Another guy who has to have his whole game CQC, and invisible until he's within his short effective range.

OH, wait... there's a big alert that you've been scanned.

Might that not be an indicator to change your movement pattern?

How about you visually clear firing lanes before moving into open space - hmmm?

Have skills in any roles other than jumpy/spashy or ewar/shotty/knife? Try changing roles to adapt to your enemy.

Maybe that's where this desperation for scan nerfing comes from.

NO insight into the flow of battle or ability to adapt to it.

in all seriousness... An active scanner should be ACTIVE meaning you're counter detectable as well as your blue dots that are damped. Meaning the asemetrical battle of passive occurs at the flank where it deserves to come back whilst being mindful not to light up your b berries.

Personally, I completely agree that there needs to be something done about the permascans, but even you have to admit that today's landscape is much different from two, or even one year ago.

Two years ago, RRs, and CRs hadn't even dropped. A large portion of the playerbase was using ARs. A weapon not really suited for long-range combat, and TTK back then was a lot lower since anyone who basically wasn't beta either couldn't afford to, or didn't have the skills to run proto gear with maxed passives. This meant that ballerina scans made your team impossible to sneak up on, and as soon as you were spotted you were dead. You had the option of trying long-range, but you'd be really ineffective.

One year ago, the Permascan was passive, and on killers. This meant we had invisible monsters who could strike anywhere, and always know the position of every enemy. Not only did that allow them to pick off targets, it more importantly allowed them to completely evade every enemy. All of this, without even having to do anything, but give up a little EHP..... On a scout.

This year, the scout usage is down. There's a lot more long range battling, and jumping myos became a thing. The main reason that people are okay with current Permascan is because of the jumpers. It's one of the best ways to combat them. They picked what they feel is the larger of two evils. If jumping went away, you can bet more people would jump (no pun intended) on the "Permascan is bad!" bandwagon. Also, I seem to see a lot more hate for scouts these days than I ever used to, and I believe it's because so many people remember them being dominant. Now that they're in a more balanced place, people are afraid to let them rise up again.

Perhaps make any of the same scanner go into cool down after they are use.
Ex.
If you have 3 fluxes they all go into cool down after one scan however....
If you had 1 flux and 1 focused upon using the flux the focused would still be available for use.

One of the more interesting proposals on scanners.

I think most people feel that they dont want scanners nerfed into oblivion but they are possibly a little too good in the right hands (Read Gall logi stacked with scanners)